ChrisMaguire ([info]revolvingdork) wrote,
@ 2008-10-11 12:23:00
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OMG PWNIES
The social climate both on and offline has pushed me to wax philosophical.

Please forgive me.

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As I consider it, I believe much of my personal ambivalence towards politics as a whole stems from an underlying disdain for partisanship.

The words "conservative" and "liberal" have become convenient blanket terms for "Everything I'm For" and "Everything I'm Against". These broad lines give folks an intellectual crutch that allows them to bypass independent thought and lead to little but uniform divisiveness.

Interestingly, in cases where a person views a particular faction as "Just Enough of the Things I'm For", they tend to automatically toss the opposing faction into the "Everything I'm Against" pile.

Demonizing those that hold different viewpoints than your own is a fast road to short-sightedness. Regardless of where your particular inclinations lie, those that think differently are *not* evil, and they are almost certainly *not* stupid. Every idea they propose should not make you fume with anger. Anger is not a constructive state of mind; nor is its offspring, self-righteousness.

Given the will to do so, how does one change this seemingly pervading system of black and white thought? My suggestion would be to start in the single most important and powerful place -- within yourself.

If you find yourself becoming quick to anger at the words of others, try taking a deep breath and consider what it is that is actually being said.

Try to mentally remove the labels associated with public figures before hearing what they have to say.

Think about what it is that actually matters to you in your day-to-day life.

I think George Washington had the right idea:

They [political parties] serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation, the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels, and modified by mutual interests.



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[info]mrbubs
2008-10-11 04:49 pm UTC (link)
what about the notion that certain ideologies have labels in order to have a properly identifiable signifier, which contains it's presuppositions, logical structuring, and philosophical ideals? While I do appreciate the philosophical premise to be against labels and binary relationships, I don't think that all labels are bad, onto themselves. Labels also make it easier to identify bad ideologies, such as fascism, nazism, dictatorial monarchies.

Additionally, the differences in values may not affect anyone besides the person/subject who believes them, but what about situations in which a person is placed in a position of authority, and their values dictate legal and political actions which will affect everyone in a near universal manner? For example, I can appreciate a person having religious faith, regardless of the particular religion, but I would not want someone who is staunchly pro-life to have supreme authority to limit people's right to their own bodies (we always think of it in terms of women having the right to have abortions, but what if it went further, with the monitoring of people masturbating or watching their fertility cycles?).

There is a seeming purpose to labels, though I do agree that seeing things in terms of black & white is hazardous to interpersonal relations.

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[info]revolvingdork
2008-10-12 05:30 am UTC (link)
I'm not attempting to comment on labels as a whole in the OP, but they also tend to make me similarly uncomfortable. The idea you mention about defining "bad" ideologies I think deserves some scrutiny, as writing off any abstract idea as "bad" is dismissive and arguably a little simplistic. Nazism is somewhat specific, but I'd argue that fascism and dictatorial monarchies are not inherrently "bad".

As for your second paragraph, I had another set of observations written up about governments having far less ability to affect the actual lives of citizens than people given them credit for ( at least, in the US ). I need to think about it some more, but right now I'm of the opinion that the government doesn't actually have very much power and isn't really worth getting upset about because laws are only as effective as the ability to enforce them.

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[info]kellbot
2008-10-11 05:18 pm UTC (link)
yeah but George Washington was a dumb fuck with wooden teeth, remember?

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[info]revolvingdork
2008-10-12 04:50 am UTC (link)
In his white-powder wig wooden teeth world, that is certainly all that fuck could have envisioned ;P

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[info]mariethebee
2008-10-11 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Blizzcon's got you all worked up.

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[info]mariethebee
2008-10-11 10:02 pm UTC (link)
p.s. gonna go ahead and call myself the frontrunner for best comment.

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[info]mrbubs
2008-10-11 10:20 pm UTC (link)
I reject that, as my comment had philosophical waxing, and gives me the appearance of intelligence and leadership.

Also, the polls suggest it.

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[info]mrbubs
2008-10-11 10:20 pm UTC (link)
now, i'm the frontrunner.

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[info]mariethebee
2008-10-11 10:40 pm UTC (link)
Once again the liberal lj-comment-media bias skews the polls.

My friends, I'm no philosopher. I shoot straight and from the hip. And if that makes me an outsider -- a maverick, if you will -- then so be it. I'm the kind of commenter that joe six-pack could have a beer with. Also, healthcare.


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[info]mrbubs
2008-10-12 06:48 am UTC (link)
you and rush limbaugh must have a bunch of laughs together. I suppose Troopergate means nothing to you as well?

My friends, we cannot believe that a person with under two years of executive experience is qualified to have the best comment on this thread. The American public deserve better. Together, we can have a better comment, a more deserving and exceptional comment. Together, yes we can.

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[info]mariethebee
2008-10-12 03:43 pm UTC (link)
I lol'd. And I cede.

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[info]mrbubs
2008-10-12 03:53 pm UTC (link)
thar we go. :-)

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[info]revolvingdork
2008-10-12 04:55 am UTC (link)
Yeah I dunno why exactly but I got thinking about this stuff in the shower lately in between pwning n00bs at the con.

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[info]robarchangel
2008-10-12 01:47 am UTC (link)
"those that think differently are *not* evil, and they are almost certainly *not* stupid"

I agree with this, especially the second point. In fact, I think it's common for people to loosen their critical faculties when listening to someone who ostensibly they share the same position as. I think it's important for me on a psychic and spiritual level to assume a basic decency in others. Even when someone says something that sounds at face deplorable, chances are there are legitimate reasons they think and act as they do. That doesn't mean we can abandon responsibility and fail to recognize the consequences of our words and actions, but it is a reminder that those we disagree with are generally not 'just bad people.' And it's important to have some empathy and make an attempt to understand what they're about. You might be right after all, and they may be missing important pieces of the picture that you get, but it's often as likely that you're missing some information that provides context and a basis for position of your 'aversary.' Assume whoever is disagreeing with you is smarter than you are until you have good reason to think otherwise, and even then, re-consider from time to time that they may be onto something after all.

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[info]revolvingdork
2008-10-12 04:53 am UTC (link)
word ;D

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